A happy day for single-issue voters, as 4-5 becomes 5-4 in the US Supreme Court, and the shiny happy dawn of the 21st century continues to brighten.
Here is the 1973 Humanist manifesto:
Preface
It is forty years since Humanist Manifesto I (1933) appeared. Events since then make that earlier statement seem far too optimistic. Nazism has shown the depths of brutality of which humanity is capable. Other totalitarian regimes have suppressed human rights without ending poverty. Science has sometimes brought evil as well as good. Recent decades have shown that inhuman wars can be made in the name of peace. The beginnings of police states, even in democratic societies, widespread government espionage, and other abuses of power by military, political, and industrial elites, and the continuance of unyielding racism, all present a different and difficult social outlook. In various societies, the demands of women and minority groups for equal rights effectively challenge our generation.
As we approach the twenty-first century, however, an affirmative and hopeful vision is needed. Faith, commensurate with advancing knowledge, is also necessary. In the choice between despair and hope, humanists respond in this Humanist Manifesto II with a positive declaration for times of uncertainty.
As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God, assumed to live and care for persons, to hear and understand their prayers, and to be able to do something about them, is an unproved and outmoded faith. Salvationism, based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful, diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter. Reasonable minds look to other means for survival.
Those who sign Humanist Manifesto II disclaim that they are setting forth a binding credo; their individual views would be stated in widely varying ways. This statement is, however, reaching for vision in a time that needs direction. It is social analysis in an effort at consensus. New statements should be developed to supersede this, but for today it is our conviction that humanism offers an alternative that can serve present-day needs and guide humankind toward the future.
— Paul Kurtz and Edwin H. Wilson (1973)
The next century can be and should be the humanistic century. Dramatic scientific, technological, and ever-accelerating social and political changes crowd our awareness. We have virtually conquered the planet, explored the moon, overcome the natural limits of travel and communication; we stand at the dawn of a new age, ready to move farther into space and perhaps inhabit other planets. Using technology wisely, we can control our environment, conquer poverty, markedly reduce disease, extend our life-span, significantly modify our behavior, alter the course of human evolution and cultural development, unlock vast new powers, and provide humankind with unparalleled opportunity for achieving an abundant and meaningful life.
The future is, however, filled with dangers. In learning to apply the scientific method to nature and human life, we have opened the door to ecological damage, over-population, dehumanizing institutions, totalitarian repression, and nuclear and bio-chemical disaster. Faced with apocalyptic prophesies and doomsday scenarios, many flee in despair from reason and embrace irrational cults and theologies of withdrawal and retreat.
Traditional moral codes and newer irrational cults both fail to meet the pressing needs of today and tomorrow. False "theologies of hope" and messianic ideologies, substituting new dogmas for old, cannot cope with existing world realities. They separate rather than unite peoples.
Humanity, to survive, requires bold and daring measures. We need to extend the uses of scientific method, not renounce them, to fuse reason with compassion in order to build constructive social and moral values. Confronted by many possible futures, we must decide which to pursue. The ultimate goal should be the fulfillment of the potential for growth in each human personality — not for the favored few, but for all of humankind. Only a shared world and global measures will suffice.
A humanist outlook will tap the creativity of each human being and provide the vision and courage for us to work together. This outlook emphasizes the role human beings can play in their own spheres of action. The decades ahead call for dedicated, clear-minded men and women able to marshal the will, intelligence, and cooperative skills for shaping a desirable future. Humanism can provide the purpose and inspiration that so many seek; it can give personal meaning and significance to human life.
Many kinds of humanism exist in the contemporary world. The varieties and emphases of naturalistic humanism include "scientific," "ethical," "democratic," "religious," and "Marxist" humanism. Free thought, atheism, agnosticism, skepticism, deism, rationalism, ethical culture, and liberal religion all claim to be heir to the humanist tradition. Humanism traces its roots from ancient China, classical Greece and Rome, through the Renaissance and the Enlightenment, to the scientific revolution of the modern world. But views that merely reject theism are not equivalent to humanism. They lack commitment to the positive belief in the possibilities of human progress and to the values central to it. Many within religious groups, believing in the future of humanism, now claim humanist credentials. Humanism is an ethical process through which we all can move, above and beyond the divisive particulars, heroic personalities, dogmatic creeds, and ritual customs of past religions or their mere negation.
We affirm a set of common principles that can serve as a basis for united action — positive principles relevant to the present human condition. They are a design for a secular society on a planetary scale.
For these reasons, we submit this new Humanist Manifesto for the future of humankind; for us, it is a vision of hope, a direction for satisfying survival.
Religion
FIRST: In the best sense, religion may inspire dedication to the highest ethical ideals. The cultivation of moral devotion and creative imagination is an expression of genuine "spiritual" experience and aspiration.
We believe, however, that traditional dogmatic or authoritarian religions that place revelation, God, ritual, or creed above human needs and experience do a disservice to the human species. Any account of nature should pass the tests of scientific evidence; in our judgment, the dogmas and myths of traditional religions do not do so. Even at this late date in human history, certain elementary facts based upon the critical use of scientific reason have to be restated. We find insufficient evidence for belief in the existence of a supernatural; it is either meaningless or irrelevant to the question of survival and fulfillment of the human race. As nontheists, we begin with humans not God, nature not deity. Nature may indeed be broader and deeper than we now know; any new discoveries, however, will but enlarge our knowledge of the natural.
< ‘it is either meaningless or irrelevant to the question of survival and fulfillment of the human race’ is a dogmatic statement unsupported by the evidence... otherwise, I am in agreement.>
Some humanists believe we should reinterpret traditional religions and reinvest them with meanings appropriate to the current situation. Such redefinitions, however, often perpetuate old dependencies and escapisms; they easily become obscurantist, impeding the free use of the intellect. We need, instead, radically new human purposes and goals.
< nah.>
We appreciate the need to preserve the best ethical teachings in the religious traditions of humankind, many of which we share in common. But we reject those features of traditional religious morality that deny humans a full appreciation of their own potentialities and responsibilities. Traditional religions often offer solace to humans, but, as often, they inhibit humans from helping themselves or experiencing their full potentialities. Such institutions, creeds, and rituals often impede the will to serve others. Too often traditional faiths encourage dependence rather than independence, obedience rather than affirmation, fear rather than courage. More recently they have generated concerned social action, with many signs of relevance appearing in the wake of the "God Is Dead" theologies.
< yup.>
But we can discover no divine purpose or providence for the human species.
While there is much that we do not know, humans are responsible for what we are or will become. No deity will save us; we must save ourselves.
< nah.>
SECOND: Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful. They distract humans from present concerns, from self-actualization, and from rectifying social injustices. Modern science discredits such historic concepts as the "ghost in the machine" and the "separable soul." Rather, science affirms that the human species is an emergence from natural evolutionary forces. As far as we know, the total personality is a function of the biological organism transacting in a social and cultural context. There is no credible evidence that life survives the death of the body. We continue to exist in our progeny and in the way that our lives have influenced others in our culture.
< ‘are’ should be ‘can be’ and ‘distract’ should be ‘can distract’: I don’t have any trouble with this paragraph otherwise.>
Traditional religions are surely not the only obstacles to human progress. Other ideologies also impede human advance. Some forms of political doctrine, for instance, function religiously, reflecting the worst features of orthodoxy and authoritarianism, especially when they sacrifice individuals on the altar of Utopian promises. Purely economic and political viewpoints, whether capitalist or communist, often function as religious and ideological dogma. Although humans undoubtedly need economic and political goals, they also need creative values by which to live.
< yup.>
Ethics
THIRD: We affirm that moral values derive their source from human experience. Ethics is autonomous and situational needing no theological or ideological sanction. Ethics stems from human need and interest. To deny this distorts the whole basis of life. Human life has meaning because we create and develop our futures. Happiness and the creative realization of human needs and desires, individually and in shared enjoyment, are continuous themes of humanism. We strive for the good life, here and now. The goal is to pursue life's enrichment despite debasing forces of vulgarization, commercialization, and dehumanization.
< I consider the statement ‘ethics stems from human need and interest’ to be dangerously narrow. While some of the other formulations of secular humanism claim that objective standards can be determined empirically, this one seems to reject such a claim: if ethics stems from human need and interest and needs no ideological sanction, it is subjective, and therefore tosh fit only for landlubbers. Arrrr!>
FOURTH: Reason and intelligence are the most effective instruments that humankind possesses. There is no substitute: neither faith nor passion suffices in itself. The controlled use of scientific methods, which have transformed the natural and social sciences since the Renaissance, must be extended further in the solution of human problems. But reason must be tempered by humility, since no group has a monopoly of wisdom or virtue. Nor is there any guarantee that all problems can be solved or all questions answered. Yet critical intelligence, infused by a sense of human caring, is the best method that humanity has for resolving problems. Reason should be balanced with compassion and empathy and the whole person fulfilled. Thus, we are not advocating the use of scientific intelligence independent of or in opposition to emotion, for we believe in the cultivation of feeling and love. As science pushes back the boundary of the known, humankind's sense of wonder is continually renewed, and art, poetry, and music find their places, along with religion and ethics.
< yup.>
The Individual
FIFTH: The preciousness and dignity of the individual person is a central humanist value. Individuals should be encouraged to realize their own creative talents and desires. We reject all religious, ideological, or moral codes that denigrate the individual, suppress freedom, dull intellect, dehumanize personality. We believe in maximum individual autonomy consonant with social responsibility. Although science can account for the causes of behavior, the possibilities of individual freedom of choice exist in human life and should be increased.
< yup.>
SIXTH: In the area of sexuality, we believe that intolerant attitudes, often cultivated by orthodox religions and puritanical cultures, unduly repress sexual conduct. The right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized. While we do not approve of exploitive, denigrating forms of sexual expression, neither do we wish to prohibit, by law or social sanction, sexual behavior between consenting adults. The many varieties of sexual exploration should not in themselves be considered "evil." Without countenancing mindless permissiveness or unbridled promiscuity, a civilized society should be a tolerant one. Short of harming others or compelling them to do likewise, individuals should be permitted to express their sexual proclivities and pursue their lifestyles as they desire. We wish to cultivate the development of a responsible attitude toward sexuality, in which humans are not exploited as sexual objects, and in which intimacy, sensitivity, respect, and honesty in interpersonal relations are encouraged. Moral education for children and adults is an important way of developing awareness and sexual maturity.
< ‘The right to birth control, abortion, and divorce should be recognized,’ is a non sequitur that is inconsistent with the Fifth Point and the statement ‘Short of harming others or compelling them to do likewise...’ >
Democratic Society
SEVENTH: To enhance freedom and dignity the individual must experience a full range of civil liberties in all societies. This includes freedom of speech and the press, political democracy, the legal right of opposition to governmental policies, fair judicial process, religious liberty, freedom of association, and artistic, scientific, and cultural freedom. It also includes a recognition of an individual's right to die with dignity, euthanasia, and the right to suicide. We oppose the increasing invasion of privacy, by whatever means, in both totalitarian and democratic societies. We would safeguard, extend, and implement the principles of human freedom evolved from the Magna Carta to the Bill of Rights, the Rights of Man, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
< I reject both euthanasia, as demonstrably open to abuse by the medical profession, and privacy, as it is inconsistent with an open and democratic society.>
EIGHTH: We are committed to an open and democratic society. We must extend participatory democracy in its true sense to the economy, the school, the family, the workplace, and voluntary associations. Decision-making must be decentralized to include widespread involvement of people at all levels — social, political, and economic. All persons should have a voice in developing the values and goals that determine their lives. Institutions should be responsive to expressed desires and needs. The conditions of work, education, devotion, and play should be humanized. Alienating forces should be modified or eradicated and bureaucratic structures should be held to a minimum. People are more important than decalogues, rules, proscriptions, or regulations.
< er, okay.>
NINTH: The separation of church and state and the separation of ideology and state are imperatives. The state should encourage maximum freedom for different moral, political, religious, and social values in society. It should not favor any particular religious bodies through the use of public monies, nor espouse a single ideology and function thereby as an instrument of propaganda or oppression, particularly against dissenters.
< The state must espouse some ideology by default, and cannot survive if it encourages maximum freedom in political and social values. The direction of the state should be determined democratically (I guess, unless the people are moral dwarves)which can lead to a tighter or looser connection between ideology and the state, but they can never be separated entirely.>
TENTH: Humane societies should evaluate economic systems not by rhetoric or ideology, but by whether or not they increase economic well-being for all individuals and groups, minimize poverty and hardship, increase the sum of human satisfaction, and enhance the quality of life. Hence the door is open to alternative economic systems. We need to democratize the economy and judge it by its responsiveness to human needs, testing results in terms of the common good.
< amen!>
ELEVENTH: The principle of moral equality must be furthered through elimination of all discrimination based upon race, religion, sex, age, or national origin. This means equality of opportunity and recognition of talent and merit. Individuals should be encouraged to contribute to their own betterment. If unable, then society should provide means to satisfy their basic economic, health, and cultural needs, including, wherever resources make possible, a minimum guaranteed annual income. We are concerned for the welfare of the aged, the infirm, the disadvantaged, and also for the outcasts — the mentally retarded, abandoned, or abused children, the handicapped, prisoners, and addicts — for all who are neglected or ignored by society. Practicing humanists should make it their vocation to humanize personal relations.
< yup. The definition of human employed is very arbitrary, however. What logic unites a complete unconcern for the welfare of the unborn with a concern for the welfare of the mentally retarded?>
We believe in the right to universal education. Everyone has a right to the cultural opportunity to fulfill his or her unique capacities and talents. The schools should foster satisfying and productive living. They should be open at all levels to any and all; the achievement of excellence should be encouraged. Innovative and experimental forms of education are to be welcomed. The energy and idealism of the young deserve to be appreciated and channeled to constructive purposes.
< yup.>
We deplore racial, religious, ethnic, or class antagonisms. Although we believe in cultural diversity and encourage racial and ethnic pride, we reject separations which promote alienation and set people and groups against each other; we envision an integrated community where people have a maximum opportunity for free and voluntary association.
< yup.>
We are critical of sexism or sexual chauvinism — male or female. We believe in equal rights for both women and men to fulfill their unique careers and potentialities as they see fit, free of invidious discrimination.
< yup.>
World Community
TWELFTH: We deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds. We have reached a turning point in human history where the best option is to transcend the limits of national sovereignty and to move toward the building of a world community in which all sectors of the human family can participate. Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a world order based upon transnational federal government. This would appreciate cultural pluralism and diversity. It would not exclude pride in national origins and accomplishments nor the handling of regional problems on a regional basis. Human progress, however, can no longer be achieved by focusing on one section of the world, Western or Eastern, developed or underdeveloped. For the first time in human history, no part of humankind can be isolated from any other. Each person's future is in some way linked to all. We thus reaffirm a commitment to the building of world community, at the same time recognizing that this commits us to some hard choices.
< The cause of freedom is better served without world law and a world order. There will necessarily be a more limited range of social environments for people to reach their potentialities if all nations are shoehorned into one system- if you accept by criticism of the Ninth Point- and hence this point would seem to be inconsistent with the stated aims of humanism.>
THIRTEENTH: This world community must renounce the resort to violence and force as a method of solving international disputes. We believe in the peaceful adjudication of differences by international courts and by the development of the arts of negotiation and compromise. War is obsolete. So is the use of nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons. It is a planetary imperative to reduce the level of military expenditures and turn these savings to peaceful and people-oriented uses.
< ‘We believe in the peaceful adjudication of differences...’ can mean two things.
(1) We think it is the preferred way to go, and could be greatly improved to make it more effective.
(2) We think it will work .
(1) is almost self-evident, and I agree wholeheartedly. Sadly, (2) is rarely true. War is not obsolete.>
FOURTEENTH: The world community must engage in cooperative planning concerning the use of rapidly depleting resources. The planet earth must be considered a single ecosystem. Ecological damage, resource depletion, and excessive population growth must be checked by international concord. The cultivation and conservation of nature is a moral value; we should perceive ourselves as integral to the sources of our being in nature. We must free our world from needless pollution and waste, responsibly guarding and creating wealth, both natural and human. Exploitation of natural resources, uncurbed by social conscience, must end.
< I am worried ‘by international concord’ will mean ‘through coercive legislation’.>
FIFTEENTH: The problems of economic growth and development can no longer be resolved by one nation alone; they are worldwide in scope. It is the moral obligation of the developed nations to provide — through an international authority that safeguards human rights — massive technical, agricultural, medical, and economic assistance, including birth control techniques, to the developing portions of the globe. World poverty must cease. Hence extreme disproportions in wealth, income, and economic growth should be reduced on a worldwide basis.
< I would say it is the moral obligation of the developed nations to follow policies that are directed towards the end of world poverty. Aid is part of this, thought not the most important, and I am uneasy if it is provided in a coercive ‘Neoimperialist’ way that demands developing nations adopt particular policies.>
SIXTEENTH: Technology is a vital key to human progress and development. We deplore any neo-romantic efforts to condemn indiscriminately all technology and science or to counsel retreat from its further extension and use for the good of humankind. We would resist any moves to censor basic scientific research on moral, political, or social grounds. Technology must, however, be carefully judged by the consequences of its use; harmful and destructive changes should be avoided. We are particularly disturbed when technology and bureaucracy control, manipulate, or modify human beings without their consent. Technological feasibility does not imply social or cultural desirability.
< ‘Resist any moves to censor basic scientific research’? I am sure they would do no such thing when my proposals for vivisection of orphans or putting hallucinogens in the water supplies of key marginal seats are quashed.>
SEVENTEENTH: We must expand communication and transportation across frontiers. Travel restrictions must cease. The world must be open to diverse political, ideological, and moral viewpoints and evolve a worldwide system of television and radio for information and education. We thus call for full international cooperation in culture, science, the arts, and technology across ideological borders. We must learn to live openly together or we shall perish together.
< yup.>
Humanity As a Whole
IN CLOSING: The world cannot wait for a reconciliation of competing political or economic systems to solve its problems. These are the times for men and women of goodwill to further the building of a peaceful and prosperous world. We urge that parochial loyalties and inflexible moral and religious ideologies be transcended. We urge recognition of the common humanity of all people. We further urge the use of reason and compassion to produce the kind of world we want — a world in which peace, prosperity, freedom, and happiness are widely shared. Let us not abandon that vision in despair or cowardice. We are responsible for what we are or will be. Let us work together for a humane world by means commensurate with humane ends. Destructive ideological differences among communism, capitalism, socialism, conservatism, liberalism, and radicalism should be overcome. Let us call for an end to terror and hatred. We will survive and prosper only in a world of shared humane values. We can initiate new directions for humankind; ancient rivalries can be superseded by broad-based cooperative efforts. The commitment to tolerance, understanding, and peaceful negotiation does not necessitate acquiescence to the status quo nor the damming up of dynamic and revolutionary forces. The true revolution is occurring and can continue in countless nonviolent adjustments. But this entails the willingness to step forward onto new and expanding plateaus. At the present juncture of history, commitment to all humankind is the highest commitment of which we are capable; it transcends the narrow allegiances of church, state, party, class, or race in moving toward a wider vision of human potentiality. What more daring a goal for humankind than for each person to become, in ideal as well as practice, a citizen of a world community. It is a classical vision; we can now give it new vitality. Humanism thus interpreted is a moral force that has time on its side. We believe that humankind has the potential, intelligence, goodwill, and cooperative skill to implement this commitment in the decades ahead.
17 comments:
I don't like this kind of manifesto. It becomes the authority for humanists without direct connection with the basis each point of the manifesto is derived. Thus a humanist may believe in say the right to abortion based on the authority of this text without any understanding that the text does not explain the basis for this belief. Most humanists contend that science is the basis of all humanist values, while clearly many have been arbitrarily defined by consensus.
Am I out of the secular humanism club for admitting taht I kind of started reading the manifesto, but lost interest when it became too long and boring?
No, but like a license agreement for new software, you can't then go back and say you disagree with some of it.{manifesto software installed}
However read this shorter clip egarding the humanist attitude which more succinctly captures the basics of the philosophy!
Humanist Movement > The Humanist Attitude
First, the Humanist Movement advocates placing the human being as the central value and concern, in such a way that nothing is above the human being and no human being is above another.
Second, it affirms the equality of all people, and works so that the simple formality of "equal rights before the law" gives way to a world of equal opportunities for all.
Third, it recognizes personal and cultural diversity, affirming the characteristics proper to each human group and condemning discrimination, whether motivated by economic, racial, ethnic, or cultural differences.
Fourth, it encourages every tendency to develop knowledge beyond the limitations imposed by prejudices accepted as absolute and immutable truths.
Fifth, it affirms the freedom of ideas and beliefs.
Sixth, it repudiates the violence rooted in daily life in all regions of the world, not only the various forms of physical violence but all other forms of violence: economic, racial, sexual, religious, moral, and psychological.
I guess that's why they came out with the quick and snappy manifesto #3, Uncle Dave!
Where did you get your mini-Manifesto, Marco? Methinks the statements in these manifestoes really need to be nested and prioritised before they can be useful- in most situations you can't simultaneously be for equality, freedom, cultural and personal diversity, and against prejudice and violence, all the time. Is cultural diversity more important than freedom? If you don't allow other cultures to limit different freedoms than yours does, they will all look the same. How do you make people equal if you renounce violence and allow them freedom? Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
http://www.omidyar.net/group/hm/news/11/
I actually put the link in the 19th comment of my darwinism as a staircase blog entry - hoping I would break my record number of comments on a single entry.
I like your point by point analysis Dr. Clam. I'd like to know what you think of the manifesto as a whole.
Well, I thought that as a political manifesto, it's quite good. As a general philosophy it is weak. It seems to be a philosophy of choice for a majority of high profile scientists - but it dodges too many important moral questions to be a basis for moral arguments between even dedicated humanists. Moral issues become "votes of conscience" and comes too close to advocating moral relativism. Oh, were you asking me?
But where would Humanists be without moral relativism?
The manifesto as a whole is a better piece of work than the other statements of secular humanism, in that it explicitly outlines a position on many (most) issues of importance. I think it falls down in coherency- self-consistency is the most important thing in an ideology, and I don't think this is a very self-consistent ideology. I think part of the problem is that proponents claim not to be following an 'ideology' just like evangelical christians claim they are not following a 'religion'. More will follow when I return from forn parts...
I don't agree that consistency is the most important thing in an ideology. I think most people find it remarkably easy to hold 2 contradictory opinions. I find the little inconsistencies to very reassuring sign of humanity in the humanism.
There is a little issue with ideologies that are not self consistent. They are provably false. This is fine for politicians to spew out as everyone knows they are lying all the time anyway - But for an ideology that say a prominent scientist may follow, it is the height of hypocrisy to claim religions are false. Either the scientist should spell out exactly how humanism is self consistent, or admit that it is vague or unscientific.
First Marco, I’d like to say that I’m not a card-carrying Humanist, although I’ve certainly found the ideas in the above manifesto interesting. Dr. Clam’s blog and yours are my first brushes with it. Thanks for opening my eyes to the ideas.
Marco, on my reading of the above you’re making some erroneous connections between science and Humanism. Humanism isn’t based on science, nor does it claim to be so. Many scientists may be drawn to Humanism, but it doesn’t make it “scientific”. It may also reject appeals to higher authority, but again this doesn’t make it “scientific”.
And Marco, I'm not sure what you mean when you say an ideology can be "provably false". An ideology is what it is agreed to be, so in the case of the above manifesto I can only imagine that you believe that the specifics of manifesto are somehow at odds with its fundamental beliefs.
(I'm in danger of building a straw man myself now, a charge I've previously leveled against you. Oh well)
I see the fundamental beliefs of the manifesto to be:
1. That humans are the final arbiters of appeal.
2. That the rights of individual are paramount, but will at times be constrained by society.
If this basic reading is correct, then the specifics of the manifesto must in some areas be “vague” (fair enough) and “unscientific” (not a concern for this or any other manifesto). Five people might agree to watch a video, but can’t agree on which video to watch, and so too with this manifesto. There is broad agreement across it, but specifics are less so. This is to be expected when humans attempt to articulate about themselves.
And your charge of hypocrisy doesn’t make the manifesto any less “right”. It may make you less enchanted by what the manifesto has to say.
Sorry, I've run out of time to write more...
One cannot believe both in there being an absolute morality and there not being one. If one of the points of the manifesto strongly suggests that there is one; and another strongly suggests that morality is relative to each culture, the philosophy loses its basic ability to decide on moral issues objectively. eg. Is it wrong to steal within a traditional aboriginal culture? If one assumes absolute morality - it is wrong to steal (context notwithstanding) while if one accepts relative morality, the concept of property within traditional aboriginal societies renders theft meaningless.
And again I’m sorry to say that you’re losing me Marco with your issue of absolute morality. These quotes from the Preface “Those who sign Humanist Manifesto II disclaim that they are setting forth a binding credo; their individual views would be stated in widely varying ways.” and “Many kinds of humanism exist in the contemporary world.” suggest to me that the manifesto is anything but a claim for an absolute morality. Instead it is a “reaching for vision in a time that needs direction. It is social analysis in an effort at consensus. New statements should be developed to supersede this, but for today it is our conviction that humanism offers an alternative that can serve present-day needs and guide humankind toward the future”. [my italics]
I’m guessing (here’s that straw man again) that you mean that the sheer act of writing a manifesto is a claim to absolute morality. I’d hope not, for we’d never be able to write one without having to defend it from that claim.
I feel that your applying too much selective pressure to what would be in the world of business, a vision statement.
But that doesn't mean that we still can't debate it 8)
There are very few philosophers that defend moral relativism (or in other words attack moral absolutes as a personal life philosophy). I think what humanism is trying to say in this regard is that it is possible to have moral values without applying moral absolutes that come from a higher being. But thinking about it in terms of teaching ones children moral values, it works much better to use a higher all-seeing being than "If you do such and such you will be punished" because that just invites the youngster to test out exactly which things are punished and which things they get away with. A general fear and respect of right things without there being people to check up on it is a good thing. My opinion is that humanism is not a sufficient basis for a functioning society. We also need religion. We also need religion to be constitutionally separated from the state. There also needs to be freedom of religion. These last two are of course part of humanist manifesto. As I intimated, humanism is a good basis for a constitution, but a poor basis for a philosophy of life.
You’re certainly welcome to believe that a fear of punishment from a higher being is a good thing. But it’s not the only viable option. I’m living in Japanese culture, and moral absolutes handed down from a higher being are not a big part of it. Yet it seems to be bungling along just fine. You’d be surprised in the power of societal restraints on behavior. No higher being required.
So I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on humanism being a poor basis for a philosophy of life. I can certainly see that if one believes in a higher being then it’s not going to be a philosophy that has much appeal. But if that’s not the case, then it seems to give the broad strokes that one needs to get through everyday life, and falls down no more or less than any other philosophy once it comes up against the edges of its beliefs.
On a different note, Dr. Clam must be happy. His post has generated at least 15 comments!
:D
I do feel kind of guilty for stealing Marco's them, though ;)
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